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what's up happy Saturday everybody

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thanks for joining me I do appreciate it

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um today we are going to do

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um a show where we go back in time and

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look at the different press reports that

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came out and just kind of see how

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everything got started how did

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um you know like aliens come into the

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news flag saucers uh the confusion uh

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between what the military was telling

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people and uh what was being reported

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um so I have a lot of things lined up

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for you audio clippings news clippings

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uh things of that sort so we're gonna

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get into it

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and I hope you enjoy the ride and here

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well due respect to their

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yeah I believe that some of them will

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so you may have heard this before but

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flying saucers UFOs UAP phenomenon is

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not new it's been around for a very long

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time but how did this get into

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the minds of the of the human population

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not only here in the U.S but around the

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country as now we have things like the

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recent legislation passed in Congress

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where

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um it could be one of the more uh

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well-rounded hola government approaches

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to the UAP phenomenon and the study of

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it here we are in 2023 and it's taking

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place as we speak

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um but the phenomenon has been around

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for a long time government Studies have

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been done on the phenomenon for a long

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but we're going to start

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back in the day

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we're going to start back in

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during the airship

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I don't know you could call it a flap I

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guess but it started in 1897 with these

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airships that people were seeing

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um there might have been other episodes

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around those years but basically this is

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kind of the more famous One

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um and this actually news clipping shout

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out to Robert goford in the chat he sent

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that to me a while ago

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um but it it pretty much just gets the

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gist of of what the airships were and

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words that we still see use to explain

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UFOs

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for instance a cigar of gigantic outline

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appears the Airship the Airship seen by

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hundreds scores of businessmen are ready

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to swear to the reality of the Mysteries

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the mysterious aerial traveler uh farmer

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finds the festival resting in the woods

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latest Voyage Through the northwest

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so just briefly touching on that this is

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a newspaper we have unidentified vehicle

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in the air that people are seeing that

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they're baffled by it and so they uh you

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know report it that makes the news

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and maybe after the show I'll make all

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these news clippings available to you so

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you can go through and read them uh one

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by one if you want because that is not

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going to be the gist of the show the

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gist of the show is to give a brief

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overviews of the different things that

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popped up in the news over time to get

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kind of a better idea of what it looked

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like back then so moving on from the

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airships airships is a big there's a big

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plethora of information on it

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so you can go and you know do your own

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research and find that this next

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clipping I found

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um not too long ago and it's really

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interesting right

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um this clipping I believe I found it in

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1940 it was published in 1945 but this

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guy talks about seeing something even 50

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years before that so late 1800s weird

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Eerie balls of light float over dab

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Ozark swamps now this is really

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uh this guy talks about

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seeing these balls of Light by the swamp

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and they actually follow him while he's

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on his course and actually go underneath

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this horse and follow him and he was

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really freaked out about it

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so very interesting report

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um this is a I guess the timeline's a

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little out of order here but we also

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pretty big deal

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this is kind of like a you know I just

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saved this picture from online but more

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or less this is what it looked like they

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shot thousands of rounds the Army shot

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thousands of rounds at this UFO Optical

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these are a bunch of searchlights

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apparently on the UFO uh but they shot

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at it there were news reports on the

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radio and as you can see in the

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now we have the Foo Fighters Foo

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Fighters if you want to learn more about

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the Foo Fighters I would recommend that

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you read Graham randell's book

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um UFOs before Roswell because he gets

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into very intricate detailed uh

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information on the Foo Fighters he

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people haven't seen before

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about the Foo Fighters as far as like

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actual military reports so it's pretty

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as you can see here they thought they

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were a German

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right and it reminds me of now where

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we're looking for excuses for what the

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different phenomenons are phenomenon is

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whether it's Chinese Russian balloons

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whatever they always blame it on

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UFOs flag saucers

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extraterrestrial not used yet

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uh we actually have some testimony from

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a pilot who encountered a foo fighter

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flying bombers wellingtons over

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a roar

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or otherwise they're called Happy Valley

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and the trip was we perform everything

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what was necessary

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dropped the bombs on the Target and on

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the way back while we were flying over

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my rear Gunner

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uh reported an aircraft approaching from

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the rear I told him that if this

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object come too close then we will have

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to open the fire on him and my

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fighter aircraft equipped with the such

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so when this thing came close I wouldn't

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with all my rear Gunner to

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give him a blast

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this object was almost the size of the

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of the shells which were entering the

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that particular Target now the peculiar

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thing about it was that um those were

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just going in and that was the end of

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would just enter and that was it

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now for that lasted for possibly I don't

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know maybe two minutes and after that

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time the

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but this shining object suddenly changed

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about 200 yards from the wing and then

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fire on my order and I could see the

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tracers entering the target again from

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under two angles to which I was sure

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that this was pretty close to 200 yards

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then because you could see the angle of

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crossing the Tracer after a while it

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moved up it took off at a fantastic

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at least 45 degrees angle and they just

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imagine World War II

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you see this crazy UFO you start

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shooting at it and it doesn't work

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and we hear about crazy turns fantastic

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um and it just disappeared pretty

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pretty crazy so we get to the Foo

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popped up you know as far as I can tell

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um there were you know a couple articles

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that I could find but it wasn't

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completely ramped up to you know

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the Kenneth Arnold story that's where

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the term flag saucers came about he

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the mysterious flank disc while flying

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in the photo he's watching for further

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displays Arnold said the flag discs were

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in a group headed in a Northern

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direction from the Mount Adams area so

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and this is where flag saucers the term

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blank saucers came up uh he said they

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looked like saucers skipping across the

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water and that took off

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in the newspapers all of a sudden

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everyone started calling UFOs flying

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saucers so if they didn't

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you know if you saw something and you

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didn't know what it was that was the

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term Flying Saucer and it kind of stinks

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because a lot of the times it didn't

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even resemble what people were seeing it

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was what people started to

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what people started to call the UFOs

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this story has kind of played out to me

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every UFO book that you'll ever read

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pretty much starts with this story it

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was June 26 1947 Kenneth Arnold

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um the air force wind up wound up

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calling it a mirage

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Atlanta but Kenneth Arnold is not done

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in 1947 he comes up again later so we'll

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see that this next story is what I'm

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using is really just to

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I show you how the reports were all of a

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sudden really ramping up all across the

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country in 1947 after Kenneth Arnold see

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five room house let me make this bigger

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eight disk like objects sink to land

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near town in Idaho Oregon Coast Guard

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P-51 plane search skies for saucers

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hundreds of persons in at least 33

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states have seen them

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so the flag saucer phenomenon the UFO

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phenomenon and this we can see is July

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6th that's important so we have that

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jump from Kenneth Arnold from the 26th

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of June now we have July 6 and we have a

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lot of flag sauce reports coming in from

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all over the country all over the

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it's pretty crazy and you can see this

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term saucers being used and that's all

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other things happened also I'm just

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touching on like kind of the main things

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in the Press other things that happened

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where there was this guy William Rhodes

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uh I think it was July 7th 1947 who took

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a photo of a flag saucer

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uh and there was a huge investigation

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the Air Force put into that

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to find out about the photos they took

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the photos they actually didn't return

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the photos for like five years kind of a

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crazy story uh there was another like

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Idaho sighting I believe around this

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time that uh made some headlines

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as well so there's a lot of ramping up

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here

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a lot of ramping up you could even say I

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wasn't there so I don't know but it

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seems like a bit of

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we have this

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is a little out of order here but it's

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okay

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um it says August 8th here San Rafael

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California flag saucer secret is out Air

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Force learns the fourth Air Forces long

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heralded report on flank saucers came

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out today

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it decided that there were no such

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things set a report from Donald Springer

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intelligence officer and assistant chief

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of staff command there's not sufficient

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evidence nor testimony available to

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conclude whether the reports of

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so-called plank discs and that Tacoma

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Washington area or any other area have

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any basis of fact in view of this fourth

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Air Force will pursue this particular

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investigation no further now this is

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really interesting

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and sorry about that Springer brought

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back from his investigation of the

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Tacoma area some fragments resembling

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metal found on Mori Island Beach

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why is this interesting this is

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interesting because another kind of

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famous case thing that happened

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um before Roswell

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pre- July 47 was this Murray island

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incident where a fisherman says that

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um this these UFOs were around they

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started spraying down like these molten

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objects killed his dog apparently

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um and Kenneth Arnold who we just talked

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about actually it went out there

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to you know get testimony and all this

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kind of stuff and there's this huge

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story in the news in these newspapers

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that

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these Air Force guys were given some of

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these UFO fragments by these Witnesses

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they took it on a plane to fly it

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somewhere else and that plane

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crashed and people in the plane died

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and that's a true story the plane

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crashed and people died

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but the Air Force actually said that

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there were no fragments given to these

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people that were actually on that plane

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and so this story is important and

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interesting because this Springer guy

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it's reported here in this newspaper

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that he actually brought back some of

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these pieces that he found in Maury

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Island they just weren't on the plane

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so that's pretty interesting because in

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the Air Force files you don't hear you

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don't see or read anything about them

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having any of these fragments

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so

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there's definite confusion and mixing of

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the facts going on for sure so skipping

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this report July 7

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1947. this is an amazing report Robert

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colford and the Jet actually asked if we

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were going to talk about this uh July 7

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1947 saucer seen by rocket rocket expert

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flight over desert described DC Navy

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research worker says flag disc was

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unlike any guided missile he has seen

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so we have a naval research lab rocket

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expert

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traveling for a Navy Mission to New

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Mexico

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and he sees

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this flat flag saucer

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he was traveling away at uniform rate of

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speed he reported it was clearly visible

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and then suddenly it wasn't there it

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didn't go behind a mountain range it

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so you can imagine like

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there's all this ramping up of flag

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saucers of UFOs

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and then you have credible people coming

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forward

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in the paper

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like this Navy research worker

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rocket expert

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vouching for it and saying yeah I've

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seen it

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I was in the air flying in New Mexico

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and I saw it it's real it's it's it's

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true and what that's we have the same

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stuff happen now right like

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right beautiful people coming forward

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saying they've had sightings whether it

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be Ryan Graves or even Dr Gary Nolan I

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saw him mention in the chat and other

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people

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that come forward and say no you're not

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crazy

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so that is July 7th 1947. and there's

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a couple articles

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on that this is pretty much talking

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it's interesting here because on the

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right hand side it says doubt alien

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missile but it's not talking about

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extraterrestrials interestingly enough

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it's talking about foreign government

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like a Russian missile or anything like

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very interesting

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indeed this was actually reported the

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next day

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July 8th what's interesting is what was

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also

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posted

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but

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we're not there yet so

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also this is July 7th so kind of moving

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on planes to chase flying saucers

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something to this Army Air Force feels

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so at this point it seems like the Army

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and the Air Force were still one thing

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it was before they separated

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for we have Captain Tom Brown of the

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Army Air Force public relations said the

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tales of flat round objects sipping

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through the sky are too widespread to be

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groundless he pointed out that a number

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of competent airmen have reported seeing

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the phenomenon that have been the Talk

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of the Nation since June 25th Kenneth

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Arnold

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so the Air Force is now coming out and

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saying there's something to this

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completely mystified as to just what it

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is

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a Navy official comes out rocket expert

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so these aren't just civilians or

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whatever these are legitimate

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reputable people all coming out and

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saying it's real there's something to

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these were reputable Pilots of the time

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that had their own sightings

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three of the many persons in the United

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States who claim to have seen mysterious

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flank discs whisking about the skies at

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various speeds and localities compare

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notes on their findings Kenneth Arnold

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Captain EJ Smith first officer Ralph

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00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:24,179
Stevens United Airlines who reported

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00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:25,980
seeing the strange objects while on a

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even more

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00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:34,740
credible people they just keep coming

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00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,020
forward

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here's another picture of him I like

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this picture actually seems like pretty

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good quality

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and look he's pointing to a flag disc

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flag saucer

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it's real

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this is July 7th 1947.

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and this is important because

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here could you imagine

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like being hit with all this kind of

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stuff now like we have Pilots coming out

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and all that kind of stuff

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but also the Army Air Force and people

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coming out and saying there's something

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to this could you imagine that

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00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:19,080
more or less that's kind of what's

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Happening a little bit like they're

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doing a study with arrow and everything

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but they're pretty much saying still

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like in the report like you know they're

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given the idea that there's nothing to

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this basically and they're going to

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figure it out as long as they get more

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information they'll be able to prove

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it's something silly

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but yeah so this is intense and then

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we have so we got all this build up July

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July 8th

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Headline Edition July 8 1947 the Army

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Air Forces has announced that a flag and

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just real quick this is the original

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Roswell radio report

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of

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when they found the object in Roswell

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yes July 8th has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army army

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officers say the missile found sometime

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last week has been infected at Roswell

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New Mexico and sent to right field Ohio

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for further inspection late this

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afternoon a bulletin from New Mexico

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suggested that the widely publicized

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mystery of the flying saucers May soon

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be solved Army Air Force officers

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00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,220
reported that one of the strange discs

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had been found and inspected sometime

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last week our correspondence in Los

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Angeles and Chicago have been in contact

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with army officials and everything to

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obtain all possible late information Joe

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Wilson reports to us now from Chicago

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the Army may be getting to the bottom of

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all this talk about the so-called Flying

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Saucer as a matter of fact the 509th

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atomic bomb group headquarters at

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Roswell New Mexico reports that it has

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received one of the discs which landed

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00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:08,039
on a ranch outside Rothwell this landed

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at a ranch at Corona New Mexico and the

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Rancher turned it over to the airport

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Lantern W.W Brazil was the man who

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discovered this offer Colonel William

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00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,960
Blanchard of the Roswell Air Base

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00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,179
refuses to give details of what the

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00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,460
flying disc looks like in Fort Worth

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00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,500
Texas where the object was first sent

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Brigadier General Roger Ramey says that

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it is being shipped by air to the aaf

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research center at Rice Field Ohio a few

534
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,980
moments ago I talked to officials at

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right field and they declared that they

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expect the so-called flying suffers to

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be delivered there but that it hasn't

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arrived as yet in the meantime General

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Ramey describes the object as being of

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flimsy construction almost like a bus

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00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,039
type he says that it was so better that

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he was unable to determine whether it

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had a disc form and he does not indicate

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its size Remy says that so far as can be

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00:26:02,210 --> 00:25:59,760
determined no one saw the object in the

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air and he described it as being made of

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some sort of tin foil other Army

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00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,000
officials say that further information

549
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:08,580
indicates that the object had a diameter

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00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,340
of about 20 to 25 feet and that nothing

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00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,720
in the apparent Construction in

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00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:15,179
indicated any capacity for Speed and

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00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,620
that there was no evidence of a power

554
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:19,440
plant but this also appeared too flimsy

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00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:22,440
to carry a man now back to Taylor Grant

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00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:29,570
so it's it's pretty interesting

557
00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:32,760
um because you'll see some UFO shows or

558
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,460
documentaries or whatever that will play

559
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:37,200
only the beginning of that clip and

560
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:39,539
they'll leave out the clip that kind of

561
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,220
pushes

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00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:43,020
or would make you think that maybe it

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00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,179
wasn't a UFO as far as like the Box kite

564
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,820
tinfoil couldn't hold a person that kind

565
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,100
of thing so it's very interesting that a

566
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,919
lot of UFO

567
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,480
uh broadcast or whatever leave that part

568
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,640
out because you know it's very

569
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,100
interesting but

570
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:01,679
so

571
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,640
have we just went over all this Hub of

572
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,980
all these District boards all these

573
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,840
reputable people coming out and saying

574
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,700
it's real the Army Air forcing there's

575
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:19,980
something to it and then this comes out

576
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,820
flying disc found says Army

577
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:25,919
wow

578
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,419
so now we have like Eric Davis

579
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,640
right in New York Times with the quote

580
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:34,500
saying that there's some materials made

581
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,919
not on this Earth not by human hands

582
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:39,539
but we don't have

583
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:43,140
the army or the military or the Pentagon

584
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:46,799
saying that right but here back in 1947

585
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,370
another

586
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,890
the thing about it is that they didn't

587
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,340
say

588
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,760
you know uh whose it was

589
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:03,120
right like as far as if it was alien if

590
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,620
it was foreign or anything like that

591
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,960
they just said they found a flank disc

592
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,880
the interest another interesting part

593
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,860
about this is in a lot of these reports

594
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:12,720
that came out

595
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:16,260
um Brazil the Rancher who uh turned it

596
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:17,580
in

597
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,659
article says he found it a week before

598
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,299
so the actual event

599
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,159
happened a week before this other

600
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:31,679
newspapers actually say three weeks

601
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,980
before so July 8th or 7th or whatever

602
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:36,960
wasn't the actual date it doesn't seem

603
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:42,590
so but here it is object lands on remote

604
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:48,710
and

605
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,440
yeah so the the big statement here is

606
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,779
the many rumors regarding the flanktus

607
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:56,400
became reality yesterday when the

608
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:58,919
intelligence off intelligence office of

609
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,039
the 509th atomic uh bomb group of the

610
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:04,860
Eighth Air Force Roswell Army Field was

611
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,659
fortunate enough to gain possession of a

612
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,700
disc to the cooperation of one of the

613
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,740
local ranchers and the Sheriff's Office

614
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,120
of Chavez

615
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:14,220
foreign

616
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:17,460
pretty interesting so here we see the

617
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:19,140
flying object landed unarranged near

618
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,940
rods well sometime last week not having

619
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,860
phone facilities to ranchers stored the

620
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,779
disk until such time as he was able to

621
00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:26,520
contact the Sheriff's Office who in turn

622
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,260
notified of Marcel

623
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,120
pretty interesting

624
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,559
so

625
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:36,600
we have that

626
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,299
so we have all this build up they find a

627
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799
disk

628
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:42,960
and then

629
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,020
and remember in uh what we just heard

630
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,000
they said it was about 20 to 25 feet

631
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,860
right

632
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:53,039
in diameter so remember that

633
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,010
them saying the next day they come out

634
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,779
and it's they say no that's completely

635
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,460
wrong

636
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,080
we're an officer with the Eighth Air

637
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,760
Force Weather Station at Fort Worth army

638
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,100
airfield Texas identifies the mysterious

639
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,520
object picked up by Brazil of Corona New

640
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,860
Mexico as a ray wind Target thus

641
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,720
deflating the rampant rumors of grounded

642
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,360
flying discs

643
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,640
tin foil covered hexagonal object

644
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:28,140
weather balloon

645
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:40,070
20 to 25 feet

646
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:42,169
doesn't look like it

647
00:30:45,779 --> 00:30:49,070
so it's interesting

648
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:50,750
and I never know what to make a Roswell

649
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,260
was that just like was it uh

650
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,360
a setup that they do that on purpose

651
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:00,480
because of all the saucer sightings

652
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,980
being seen did they do something like

653
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,299
that so they could capture it and come

654
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:04,799
out with it and say hey it's no big deal

655
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:07,260
it's just the kite

656
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:08,940
I'm not sure because that doesn't

657
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,500
explain all the different testimonies

658
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,020
that we've heard saying otherwise

659
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:18,889
is from

660
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,480
uh the guy who we we just read his quote

661
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:23,520
where he said it's a reality we found a

662
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,810
he gave some testimony a lot of other

663
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,980
people gave testimony too saying no it

664
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,899
was a alien ship and there were bodies

665
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,120
and everything but also I don't want to

666
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:37,679
mix it up too much because I want you to

667
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:40,820
keep in mind that still bodies aliens

668
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,220
extraterrestrials none of that is said

669
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:46,500
right so even in the Roswell paper they

670
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,120
don't say anything like that they just

671
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,299
say they found a flying disc

672
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:52,799
and at the time

673
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:55,980
another thing I should say about 1947 is

674
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,480
that there were a lot of hoaxes going on

675
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:59,640
as well there was actually a competition

676
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,140
going on through the news where somebody

677
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:03,120
was paying out a thousand dollars if

678
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,620
somebody could give them a flight disc

679
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,200
there was a lot of smaller flying discs

680
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:09,720
found as hoaxes people were making them

681
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:13,140
it's kind of a crazy time

682
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:14,940
but now what I'm going to play to you

683
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:19,070
um

684
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,700
a testimony from the William hot guy the

685
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:25,740
public relations guy who told the

686
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,380
newspapers that they found a flank desk

687
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,140
Blanchard who is a commanding officer of

688
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,200
the base at that time called me into his

689
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,600
office and he said I've got some

690
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,340
information I want to give you and I

691
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:41,279
want you to put out a press release on

692
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,179
this material the only thing that I felt

693
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,820
at ease with was the fact that we had in

694
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,679
our possession of flying saucer and

695
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:52,500
we've shipped it on basically to the

696
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:55,740
next higher command I think that a

697
00:33:02,750 --> 00:32:58,860
cover-up was designed so that they could

698
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,760
say it was a mogul balloon or some kind

699
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:04,080
of balloon

700
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:07,799
within my own feeling I think that it

701
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,830
wow pretty pretty intense so the guy

702
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,039
thought it was something from outer

703
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,679
space and that testimony isn't from that

704
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,240
time that was later on but it's

705
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,340
interesting he was a part of it Jesse

706
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:25,320
Marcel is a part of it uh who actually

707
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,140
had you know said he saw it and handled

708
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,299
it and it was something he's never seen

709
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,340
before they were like hieroglyphics and

710
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:35,100
different things on the meadow his son

711
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:46,370
Roswell is is definitely interesting

712
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,120
you know because he can't fight all the

713
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,679
different testimonies there's so many

714
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:52,260
testimonies out there about about the

715
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,940
thing

716
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:55,320
um

717
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,480
and it but it's really just interesting

718
00:34:05,230 --> 00:33:59,820
to me how there's just this huge build

719
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:07,549
and then for them to just turn around

720
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:16,310
never freaking mind

721
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,510
so

722
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,639
you know my goal of this is is not to uh

723
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:22,440
prove if that was real or not just to

724
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,940
kind of report what was in the news at

725
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,500
the time

726
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,260
here July 12th

727
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:30,839
remember we looked at that Idaho report

728
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:34,440
earlier now we're do we see this it was

729
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,060
hoaxed

730
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,419
apparently that's what they say

731
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:42,179
so this was in the news too so now all

732
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,619
of a sudden we're getting some pushback

733
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,839
and it's not just these things are real

734
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:48,179
this and that and incredible Witnesses

735
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,669
here's what I was referencing earlier

736
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:57,660
the reward the world inventors Congress

737
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,460
posted a thousand dollars for delivery

738
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:01,680
of a flank disc to the exposition which

739
00:35:07,619 --> 00:35:12,290
pretty interesting

740
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,550
I actually mentioned something about

741
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,320
Wisconsin in Milwaukee one of the hoax

742
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:18,900
this was actually found it was like a

743
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:26,030
and there were a couple other uh stories

744
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,430
on the right hand side we get some

745
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,540
interesting testimony not an army

746
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:35,760
experiment

747
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,040
Portland Oregonian and Major General

748
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,800
Nathan Twining who we know from his memo

749
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,780
which is is pretty famous at this point

750
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,180
uh chief of the Army Air Force material

751
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,579
command told it flatly that the flying

752
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:49,740
saucers are not the result of

753
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,020
experiments by the armed services

754
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:54,480
either the Army Air Force nor any other

755
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,339
component of the Armed Forces has any

756
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:58,380
plane guided missile or other aerial

757
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,839
device under development which could

758
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,000
possibly be mistaken for a saucer or

759
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:05,640
formation of flank discs the newspaper

760
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:08,820
newspaper quoted winning as telling it

761
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:11,220
by a telephone from Kirtland Army Air

762
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,119
Base

763
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,300
Albuquerque New Mexico some of these

764
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:17,880
Witnesses evidently saw something but we

765
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:20,820
don't know what we are investigating

766
00:36:26,110 --> 00:36:22,920
very interesting

767
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,770
[Music]

768
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:33,530
you know the quotes from you know

769
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:35,820
military folks saying this is legit it's

770
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,540
definitely not ours

771
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:41,040
kind of like today

772
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:49,490
so this is pretty interesting so flag

773
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,700
disc this is uh August 5th 1947. flag

774
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,380
disc huge hoax

775
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:57,599
and it's not funny says the army so now

776
00:37:02,750 --> 00:36:58,980
they're officially coming back and

777
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,760
saying this is this is bull crap

778
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,380
this is kind of referencing the Maury

779
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,480
Island thing

780
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:08,880
and it talks about that

781
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:12,900
and the FBI starts to get involved in

782
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,099
this story and the FBI's official job or

783
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:19,740
duty at this point uh the Air Force

784
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:22,740
asked them to help out to recover any

785
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:25,079
materials found

786
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,619
and the FBI agreed to it

787
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,300
but then they got pissed off because

788
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:32,160
everything that they were finding was

789
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,859
like uh hoaxed bullcrap so they wanted

790
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,320
out of it and even at one point they got

791
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:39,060
upset with the Army because they

792
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,260
wouldn't share

793
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,300
or let the FBI look at something that

794
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,640
they found so they wanted out

795
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,380
and I actually looked up that case and

796
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:48,660
that was a hoax too so there was nothing

797
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,780
funny going on there apparently you know

798
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,940
but they say not funny the Army and the

799
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,440
FBI are going

800
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,359
getting to the bottom of this it's the

801
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,760
biggest hoax ever perpetrated and it's

802
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:02,520
not funny two army officers lost their

803
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,619
lives as an indirect result of this

804
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:07,440
fraud and they're talking about the

805
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:09,960
pilots on the plane that crashed during

806
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:19,010
so that's 1947.

807
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:25,910
pretty crazy time I can't imagine living

808
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:31,550
so

809
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,680
what happens then 47 kind of cools off

810
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,020
around then

811
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,300
um people still keep seeing things but

812
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,180
not as much as was being publicized in

813
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:43,920
the ramp up right

814
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,030
but then we get to

815
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,800
I'm going to get to you know and

816
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,900
maybe I missed some things or whatever

817
00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:56,820
I'm just doing my best here by the way

818
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:59,099
if anyone's watching and saying how come

819
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:00,359
you didn't talk about this case or

820
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:02,220
whatever I'm just talking about what I

821
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:05,220
find found in newspapers using my key

822
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:12,349
so I hope you guys

823
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:18,349
but then we get to 1948

824
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,720
so we have all this stuff happening the

825
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,480
Roswell right

826
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:26,160
and then

827
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,020
you can kind of think that maybe things

828
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,940
are going to fade out maybe they're

829
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:31,920
going to go away they're not going to be

830
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,700
such a big deal anymore he was a fad and

831
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:37,320
then you have

832
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:44,990
Mr Madel incident

833
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,310
lives on in UFO history

834
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:51,599
killed in a crash

835
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,119
of its plain National Guard headquarters

836
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:56,460
at Louisville said that he was pursuing

837
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,260
what was reported to have been a flying

838
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,069
it's black sauce are seen

839
00:40:13,810 --> 00:40:09,410
and his captain mantel and other people

840
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:17,270
these two guys actually when they were

841
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:20,460
chasing it they broke off early

842
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,980
at like uh 22

843
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,480
000 feet they're saying because they

844
00:40:28,810 --> 00:40:26,160
were running out of oxygen and starting

845
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:28,820
to feel it so they went back to base

846
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:31,619
mantel said he's gonna keep chasing it

847
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:38,089
and if he doesn't get closer he's going

848
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:45,650
what winds up happening is he crashes

849
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,109
the running Theory from the air forces

850
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:50,760
that he ran out of oxygen

851
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,160
these are all World War II Pilots by the

852
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,720
way as well so there are any theories

853
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,520
that he ran out of oxygen

854
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:58,800
and lost control of the thing and crash

855
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,380
or whatever but you know this case is a

856
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,880
really big case and there's a lot of

857
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,520
details to it and again what I'm I'm not

858
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,440
trying to go through that entire case

859
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:09,660
I'm just hitting on the points that were

860
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:14,990
actually put the wreckage of his plane

861
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:21,290
pretty crazy

862
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,180
could you imagine seeing that

863
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,400
and I think this is a lot of like what

864
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,140
we're trying to avoid right now we're

865
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,240
always hearing about pilot safety UFOs

866
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:33,960
pilot safety Ryan Graves hits that point

867
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:36,119
it's because they don't want something

868
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,310
scary

869
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,089
it's too bad

870
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:48,950
one thing that people don't

871
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,470
talk about too much as far as the mantel

872
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,690
is that it wasn't just these Pilots that

873
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,500
saw something that day

874
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,780
there are actually other people at a

875
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,460
different base

876
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:08,460
that saw something as well

877
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:12,060
and not too far away it was actually

878
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:14,579
in Ohio

879
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,030
the night this object that I cited

880
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,400
was the night of the day that this

881
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,160
Captain mantrell was killed

882
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:31,440
denied it I was on the video I was in

883
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,160
the direction finding chat which is

884
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:38,220
about a mile from the other buildings

885
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:41,880
operations and Airways and the towers

886
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,460
which is about two-thirds to three

887
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:47,520
quarters of the way down the uh North

888
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,060
South Runway at Lockeford

889
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,060
before we go on duty we always stopped

890
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:56,400
by the operations and get a copy of the

891
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:00,420
weather and all the aircraft flying

892
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:04,140
military aircraft flying in the vicinity

893
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:06,060
of Columbus would call and give a

894
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:07,500
physician report

895
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,579
now Airways was the one that officially

896
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:13,980
took the position report

897
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:16,740
the overcast was 1200 feet

898
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,420
it was dark and inside the shack I never

899
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,420
turned the lights on because of the

900
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,359
illumination of the all the dials and

901
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,280
the meters and everything was sufficient

902
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,680
for just sitting in there listening to

903
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:34,020
the radio or whatever

904
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,819
the only time I'd turn the light on

905
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:38,700
would be when an aircraft would be in

906
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:39,660
trouble

907
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:40,920
and

908
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:46,980
getting the right heading

909
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,099
so I was laying there on my back uh just

910
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:55,790
practically right over my head for about

911
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,400
a 30 degree angle from the vertical

912
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:01,680
down through the overcast comes a

913
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:05,520
straight the round red

914
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:07,619
I thought it was an aircraft song

915
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,300
inflamed

916
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:12,720
I jumped off of the box and start to

917
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:15,980
reach to the mic or the telephone

918
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,619
and I see that it isn't an aircraft I

919
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,200
know the power

920
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,660
called me before I even got a chance to

921
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:26,760
call him and he said what the hell is

922
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:30,060
that out there over your station and I

923
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:32,760
told him I don't know I said it was just

924
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:35,940
a great big round red ball

925
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,760
so I tell him to call Airways

926
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,079
he's

927
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:43,680
caused the Airways operator and him and

928
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,760
the captain that the meteorologist had

929
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,680
his dad may look at it

930
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,560
it stops just as it comes through the

931
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,060
overcast

932
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:56,640
and hovers there in the air there's no

933
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,540
sound

934
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:00,540
and it don't stand perfectly stationary

935
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:03,780
now it Maneuvers around makes uh goes

936
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,260
100 feet or kind of circles and it just

937
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:10,260
is maneuvering around in the air without

938
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:11,280
any

939
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,040
great distance after it's been there for

940
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,260
about five minutes and all the time I'm

941
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:18,720
trying to contact another aircraft on

942
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,240
the radio and so is the tower we've got

943
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,160
different frequencies so we're trying to

944
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:25,920
call an aircraft to take a pass through

945
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:27,960
there and tell us what it is

946
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,500
before it starts from an absolute

947
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,839
perfectly stationary

948
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:36,960
position and makes a circle of the

949
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,140
entire base in the north south Runway is

950
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,720
one mile long and there's

951
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:45,359
at least three quarters or so of a mile

952
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:48,780
from the end of the runway to the limits

953
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,819
for the base of the north there's about

954
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:53,099
a quarter of a mile or so maybe to the

955
00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:54,000
South

956
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:56,660
this makes this object make a circle

957
00:46:01,849 --> 00:45:59,460
better than six miles

958
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,859
it accelerated to

959
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:04,200
the speed of the chest of a thousand

960
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:07,380
miles an hour comes back and stops

961
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,680
instantly it doesn't slow down so on any

962
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:12,660
breaks and Coastal

963
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:13,859
Coastal disaster

964
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,420
into a wall

965
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:17,520
and when it comes back it's still right

966
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:21,060
over my head but it has drifted

967
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,339
to the Southwest

968
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,160
this object has drifted

969
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,520
when it came back and stopped and to its

970
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,980
Maneuvers I call it drifting which

971
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:33,540
actually it wasn't

972
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:37,079
really drift and it just had moved to

973
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,819
the Southwest now that's Against the

974
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:40,020
Wind

975
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:42,660
and when it got down nearly to the edge

976
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,480
of the base just a little past the end

977
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:48,240
of the runway it descended to the ground

978
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,079
vertically just came clear of the ground

979
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:54,660
and stayed at the ground

980
00:47:02,990 --> 00:46:58,980
10 maybe 15 seconds Rose vertically back

981
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,000
up to just under the overcast we had

982
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:05,040
gotten in contact with an airplane to

983
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,900
that time it was coming from right to

984
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,599
you he says he couldn't see anything he

985
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:11,520
was too far out yet

986
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:14,040
but I think the object itself detected

987
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:15,420
this airplane

988
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,740
approaching

989
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,359
Lawson

990
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,119
was just before the airplane

991
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:23,579
arrived at lost and it went back up into

992
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,550
well so he thinks that the actual UFO

993
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,079
was kind of chased away because it's on

994
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:37,520
another airplane coming that is intense

995
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:41,040
it's a great testimony and people you

996
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,300
know when people write stories on The

997
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:44,940
Mantel thing not everybody but a lot of

998
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:47,940
times even I think uh Enigma Labs who

999
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:49,740
recently wrote something about it they

1000
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,680
never mentioned that part of this you

1001
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,540
know which is corroborative

1002
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:56,579
statements and evidence that something

1003
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:58,760
was going on that day

1004
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,560
so it's pretty intense

1005
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:03,900
and that was a that was a big story and

1006
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:07,140
that was the beginning of 1948 started

1007
00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:14,390
so

1008
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:16,609
you know 1948 there were other sightings

1009
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,380
that kept happening throughout 1948 and

1010
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,319
I I should say that this never made the

1011
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:25,380
news that I could find at least

1012
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,980
um

1013
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,900
but it was around this time so this is

1014
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,339
going to be in the background what I'm

1015
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:30,960
talking what I'm going to about to say

1016
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:33,480
now so this isn't in the Press but just

1017
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,339
to give you some context of what the

1018
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,560
military that with the Air Force was up

1019
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:39,780
to also during this time in the

1020
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:42,599
background in the background there were

1021
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,560
places like Los Alamos labs Sandy

1022
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:48,660
Laboratories

1023
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,200
um and other places in that area

1024
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,240
of uh

1025
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:56,280
Southwestern

1026
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:59,099
um America United States that were

1027
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:00,599
getting bombarded

1028
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,060
over and over again with UFO reports

1029
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,040
called a lot of them were called Green

1030
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:06,480
fireballs

1031
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,819
and there was a huge study that was

1032
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:11,760
underway with Dr Lincoln Lopez and some

1033
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:14,819
some other people even Edward Teller got

1034
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,339
in on that game and attended one of

1035
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:19,680
their like conferences about all these

1036
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:22,200
reports that these sensitive uh military

1037
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,089
they had many meetings

1038
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:30,829
um and they never really figured out

1039
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:37,490
and so that's a whole show on its own so

1040
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,060
I can't really get into that right now

1041
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:42,060
if you do have questions about that part

1042
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:44,099
of it it's called project twinkle let me

1043
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:45,900
know and I can answer it just email me

1044
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:48,599
here Twitter message me or whatever

1045
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:51,000
um or maybe I'll do a show on it again

1046
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,700
I'm pretty sure I have before but I

1047
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:55,859
could always do it again

1048
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,740
um but that was

1049
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:01,140
an intense time

1050
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:04,200
that the country had no idea about

1051
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:06,300
no idea

1052
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:09,900
that these places were Manhattan Project

1053
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,359
happens all that kind of stuff the

1054
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:14,099
atomic energy commission was really

1055
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,440
involved with this stuff

1056
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,599
these green Fireball reports UFO reports

1057
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:20,760
over Los Alamos

1058
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,260
it was intense so that is all going on

1059
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,839
um and it started around this time

1060
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:29,700
as far as I could tell I think it was

1061
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,520
1948 it started and they ended project

1062
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,040
twinkle or whatever

1063
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:37,740
um I think 49 or 50.

1064
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:40,680
um it was this Joseph Kaplan probably

1065
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,940
had the best idea to him what was going

1066
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,140
on and he thought it was a natural

1067
00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:48,720
phenomenon because of some experiments

1068
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:51,540
he did previously in his lab

1069
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,740
um

1070
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:54,960
and he was from

1071
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:57,059
Caltech I want to say or something like

1072
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:58,260
that

1073
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,380
some

1074
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,520
College of California that's pretty

1075
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,859
popular I think that's what it was

1076
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:06,480
but anyways

1077
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:09,720
so that was really going on during 1948

1078
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,579
but the newspaper is really all you were

1079
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,720
seeing were

1080
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,059
you know kind of just general sightings

1081
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,579
here and there

1082
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,859
um but nothing like we saw you know in

1083
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,559
1947 the run-up to Roswell and all that

1084
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,760
kind of stuff

1085
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,220
so

1086
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:27,900
yeah

1087
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:30,420
Air Force said mantel going backwards a

1088
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,559
little bit

1089
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:33,000
um

1090
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,059
it just pisses you off mentel they said

1091
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,640
he crashed it was a balloon to end up

1092
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,220
being a balloon and the visuals that

1093
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,870
always see that throughout the course of

1094
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,880
Project Blue Book

1095
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,220
like all they all they say they say that

1096
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,920
even now in the arrow report or we need

1097
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,079
better data

1098
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,599
right and then they get data where

1099
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:03,599
there's a radar pickups

1100
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:05,940
sometimes like Washington DC multiple

1101
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:08,339
radar pickups I think three Radars and

1102
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,140
52. and they have visual testimony

1103
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,680
right every time they get that

1104
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:18,839
they divide the two things the

1105
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:20,819
electronic pickup and the visual pickup

1106
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:23,940
and blame it on prosaic things and then

1107
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:26,220
say well we need better information we

1108
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:27,480
don't we don't know what this stuff is

1109
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:29,640
what do you want

1110
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,720
you have Visual and radar sightings

1111
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,520
what else do you want by qualified

1112
00:52:40,010 --> 00:52:37,800
Observers

1113
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:40,020
sometimes people have worked on the

1114
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:44,460
radar sets for five to ten years

1115
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,920
while Pilots have visual observations

1116
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,500
who have thousands of hours flying time

1117
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,079
a lot of these people who flew in World

1118
00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:55,440
War II and fought for the country

1119
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,260
say no you saw a star

1120
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,240
and the radar that was anomalous

1121
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:02,460
propagation so they used that all the

1122
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:04,619
time when radar picked something up

1123
00:53:09,970 --> 00:53:08,160
anomalous propagation meaning that the

1124
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:09,980
the radar set that picks something up

1125
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:12,780
was showing a blip because it was

1126
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:14,700
interfered with or something by another

1127
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:17,640
radar set you know and even in the

1128
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:19,140
report of the arrow report we see now

1129
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,540
they say the same thing like these

1130
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:23,460
Radars it could be a malfunction or

1131
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:25,140
aberration like

1132
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:28,740
if we it's 2023 and we were dealing with

1133
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:31,140
that in 48

1134
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,900
49 50 right like

1135
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,880
we've come all this way with technology

1136
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:37,619
and you're telling me that you haven't

1137
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,710
like

1138
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:44,640
what would you do in a war how could you

1139
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:47,579
even trust what you're seeing on radar

1140
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,980
although you know it could be anomalous

1141
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:51,420
propagation I'm not going to go after

1142
00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:58,490
it's it's it's and all this

1143
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,099
time like you don't train Pilots that

1144
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,140
that's a possibility because if he did

1145
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:06,420
they probably wouldn't report it

1146
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,740
right

1147
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,660
oh I was trained about this this is an

1148
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:11,220
almost propagation this is what it looks

1149
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:12,119
like

1150
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,220
I don't need to report that as a UFO

1151
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:16,559
because I know what it is because I was

1152
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:22,910
the fact is there is no education for it

1153
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:25,740
because it's not

1154
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,780
it's

1155
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,280
probably because of the Air Force

1156
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:31,440
actually wants those reports those UFO

1157
00:54:36,049 --> 00:54:32,520
reports probably because there's

1158
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,569
sorry that just irritates me especially

1159
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,559
when we go back like this far and we see

1160
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,540
the same things

1161
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:44,160
it's like

1162
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,740
get a hold of yourself people

1163
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,720
Jesus

1164
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:50,880
so

1165
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:56,809
move on here

1166
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:58,920
and I'm only going to the end of 49 so

1167
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,040
this is like the last batch of of stuff

1168
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:04,619
that we're going to be looking at

1169
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:07,380
um in 1949 again was It was kind of

1170
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:10,859
another I would say

1171
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,460
one of the most Paradigm changing

1172
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,200
years

1173
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,500
for ufology at UFOs

1174
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,720
in the mainstream in the Press like

1175
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:23,640
remember we saw all we would just went

1176
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,740
through all these reports

1177
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,559
right Roswell all this stuff there's

1178
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,260
nothing about bodies extraterrestrials

1179
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,319
anything like that the closest we got

1180
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,359
was the Airship thing that we looked at

1181
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:38,760
they call mysterious Travelers and all

1182
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:41,400
that but but they didn't go so as far as

1183
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,800
far as to say you know I mean maybe they

1184
00:55:47,230 --> 00:55:45,599
did in a different article or maybe I

1185
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:47,240
missed it or something but

1186
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:50,700
extraterrestrials but but 1949 is when

1187
00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:54,780
that really took off and it's because of

1188
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,900
this publication that came up uh by true

1189
00:56:02,750 --> 00:55:59,400
magazine

1190
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,760
and Donald Kehoe who's a major for the

1191
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:04,920
Marine Corps actually participated big

1192
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:08,160
time in in that magazine and he did his

1193
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:10,380
own eight-month study of this stuff with

1194
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:11,940
the cooperation the Air Force we're

1195
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:15,119
sharing uh files and information

1196
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:18,900
so that true magazine piece comes out

1197
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:20,339
and this is what you get in the

1198
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:21,960
newspapers

1199
00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:23,339
so you know not everyone's going to

1200
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,619
reach from magazine right flag saucers

1201
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,500
called ships of visitors from space

1202
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,480
right underneath it but Air Force

1203
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:33,359
officials deny story of voyages to Earth

1204
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,980
from another planet

1205
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,960
true magazine said today that flank

1206
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:38,700
saucers are interplanetary Vehicles

1207
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:40,380
manned by Spacemen From A Distant

1208
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:43,800
civilization more advanced than on Earth

1209
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,559
but we hear that now right

1210
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:49,260
whether it's louisano or or other people

1211
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:52,800
the technology that we have is 50 100

1212
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,010
concluding without reservation that

1213
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:00,000
flank saucers are real true said it

1214
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:01,800
learned that a rocket Authority

1215
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:03,740
stationed at right field

1216
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:06,599
has told Air Force personnel flatly that

1217
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:09,180
the saucers are interplanetary and that

1218
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,309
there is a rocket Authority that said

1219
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:17,880
that

1220
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:19,559
but I don't think he was stationed at

1221
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:21,240
right field but it could be a different

1222
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:32,270
Air Force denies it

1223
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,910
look at this point two here

1224
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:37,680
at the bottom the planet earth has been

1225
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,020
under systematic close range examination

1226
00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:42,960
by living intelligent observers from

1227
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,740
another planet during the last 175 Years

1228
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,059
first of all I'd like to know where did

1229
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,880
they get that number from 175 years how

1230
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:52,740
do they know that

1231
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,940
uh that visits to the Earth

1232
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,099
Atmosphere by these interplanetary

1233
00:58:03,530 --> 00:58:00,960
visitors have increased markedly during

1234
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:03,540
the past two years we hear that now too

1235
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:07,280
right actually it was in some

1236
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:10,500
Congressional uh like press release or

1237
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,339
something

1238
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,260
or I think it was a congressional like

1239
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,559
explanation of the why they did the UFO

1240
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:18,540
ndaa stuff and they said transmutum

1241
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,569
that vehicles used for the observation

1242
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:28,920
have been identified and categorized as

1243
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:30,839
three distinct types but true pointed

1244
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:32,460
out that observation of flying disc

1245
00:58:37,789 --> 00:58:35,220
indicates that the discernible pattern

1246
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:37,799
of observation and exploration

1247
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:41,280
shown varies in no important particular

1248
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:43,740
from a well-developed American

1249
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,619
plans for the exploration of space

1250
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:48,660
expected to come to fruition within the

1251
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,980
next 50 years

1252
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:52,319
so

1253
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:55,140
blast off this is the end of 1949 I

1254
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,049
it's official like aliens

1255
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,520
extraterrestrials and these UFOs are

1256
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,680
locked together

1257
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:09,780
until this day

1258
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:12,960
as far as I can tell it all started

1259
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:15,480
right here

1260
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,359
but it wasn't just Donald Kehoe the

1261
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:20,880
Marine major from the Marine Corps

1262
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:23,940
he said this or this true magazine

1263
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:26,460
you actually had

1264
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:28,680
reputable

1265
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:34,970
come out and say the same thing one of

1266
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:41,870
is Commander Robert

1267
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,579
McLaughlin

1268
00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:46,559
who writes in the March issue of true

1269
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:48,780
magazine that flag saucers were seen at

1270
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:51,660
White Sands Missile Range

1271
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,260
in April May and June of 1949.

1272
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:56,940
on one occasion he said two small

1273
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,640
saucers chased a Navy rocket the air

1274
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,619
forces called the discs hoaxes or

1275
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:03,480
misunderstandings of natural phenomenon

1276
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,780
however Commander McLaughlin identified

1277
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:09,359
by the magazine as a naval ordinance and

1278
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:11,400
guided missile expert wrote in his

1279
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:13,079
article I'm convinced that they are

1280
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:17,040
spaceships from another planet operated

1281
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,980
uh animate intelligent beings in its

1282
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,140
January issue true magazine published an

1283
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,359
article by Donald Kehoe who also

1284
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:26,280
believed the saucers were spaceships

1285
01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:28,680
from another planet

1286
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:32,099
and the air force of course

1287
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:34,740
said the study lends no support to the

1288
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,980
view that they come from another planet

1289
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,839
this is interesting

1290
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,640
so here

1291
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:43,859
the next day the Air Force ended a

1292
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,660
two-year investigation into flank disc

1293
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,119
by labeling them misinterpretations

1294
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:50,880
of various conventional objects a mild

1295
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:54,299
form of mass hysteria or hoaxes

1296
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:00,770
this is where

1297
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:04,319
everything began this is why we're here

1298
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,599
now

1299
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,579
right

1300
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:10,160
we have the connection to

1301
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,059
extraterrestrials or a different type of

1302
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,940
intelligence true magazine McLaughlin

1303
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,680
here

1304
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:18,839
a rocket expert

1305
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,420
who's seen these at missile uh at White

1306
01:01:25,549 --> 01:01:23,520
Sands which by the way that was a big

1307
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:25,559
deal to the Air Force the Air Force

1308
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:28,200
office of special investigations put in

1309
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:32,520
a lot of work investigating how this

1310
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:36,780
White Sands McLaughlin story came out

1311
01:01:40,510 --> 01:01:39,540
they interviewed a lot of people to find

1312
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:40,520
out

1313
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:48,470
because there was an event and what had

1314
01:01:51,789 --> 01:01:50,220
happened was there was an event at White

1315
01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:51,799
Sands Missile Range

1316
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:54,540
uh where they invited a lot of press

1317
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,940
people maybe like 10 12 press people and

1318
01:02:03,049 --> 01:01:59,220
they were testing not only the V2 rocket

1319
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,059
uh German design but also Viking rocket

1320
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:05,579
and while this was happening there were

1321
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,319
opportunities for these press people to

1322
01:02:11,809 --> 01:02:10,079
really talk to the the different uh

1323
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:11,819
people there the Navy guys or whoever

1324
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,940
else was there and during some of these

1325
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:17,040
conversations

1326
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,740
that story of the discs we're told to

1327
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:21,299
these journalists and they they went

1328
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,920
with it and ran with it so I think even

1329
01:02:26,049 --> 01:02:24,480
before this came out or the true

1330
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:26,059
magazine there was actually

1331
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,460
uh reports in the newspapers of that

1332
01:02:34,849 --> 01:02:32,040
White Sands incident

1333
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:34,859
later on down the road in 1952 this the

1334
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:37,859
cia's office of scientific intelligence

1335
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,260
actually put together their own kind of

1336
01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:42,720
UFO study or report and they mentioned

1337
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:45,059
the White Sands report which uh they had

1338
01:02:54,289 --> 01:02:47,339
a flag saucer clock that 18

1339
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,329
flying disc said Commander McLaughlin

1340
01:03:00,289 --> 01:02:58,799
who since 1939 has been engaged in

1341
01:03:02,089 --> 01:03:00,299
rocket research have nothing to do with

1342
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,099
any experiments carried on by American

1343
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:04,200
scientists or for that matter by anyone

1344
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:06,059
on Earth if these things are real they

1345
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:07,740
come from another planet where creatures

1346
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:11,220
are far ahead of us in science

1347
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,619
I heard it said that they are spaceships

1348
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:15,599
from Mars which have been attracted to

1349
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:19,680
the Earth by atomic bomb explosions

1350
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:21,660
and fascinated by what they saw have

1351
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:24,420
continued to keep an eye on us we still

1352
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,900
hear that theory today

1353
01:03:33,049 --> 01:03:30,000
attracted to Earth by our atomic bomb

1354
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,789
75

1355
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,200
or whatever years later

1356
01:03:42,049 --> 01:03:40,440
we're still using that theory

1357
01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:42,059
I'm not saying that's a good thing or a

1358
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:44,339
bad thing I'm just pointing out

1359
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:46,680
how long that's been going on

1360
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,390
then this is what we're gonna finish on

1361
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,839
and this is

1362
01:04:02,450 --> 01:03:59,280
well actually

1363
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:02,460
we're not going to finish there

1364
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,359
sorry

1365
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:05,880
we got one more

1366
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,700
interesting tidbit

1367
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:11,280
that we are going to do before we get to

1368
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:14,880
that last piece of news

1369
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,220
and then we'll wrap it up

1370
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,319
oh maybe actually a couple couple things

1371
01:04:24,410 --> 01:04:21,420
so these this is all going to be a video

1372
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,420
or audio testimony so this testimony I'm

1373
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:26,579
about to play for you

1374
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,200
um

1375
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,720
comes from someone else who witnesses

1376
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:32,640
stuff with McLaughlin

1377
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:35,400
this person actually was a aeronautical

1378
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:39,000
research engineer for General Mills

1379
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,380
pretty big deal

1380
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:42,480
and he gives us his testimony on what he

1381
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,200
saw over White Sands Missile Range

1382
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:49,200
in 1949 I was working with a navy

1383
01:04:54,049 --> 01:04:51,540
balloon project and made a number of

1384
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,059
pilot balloon wind measurements

1385
01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:56,760
we launched a balloon one Sunday morning

1386
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,680
here in New Mexico

1387
01:05:01,549 --> 01:05:00,720
in the company of some really enlisted

1388
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:01,559
men

1389
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,220
another seen this before and was using

1390
01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:07,319
the theater light to follow the balloon

1391
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:08,940
and after a little while I looked up to

1392
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,980
see how he was doing and I saw an object

1393
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:12,180
that I thought was a balloon that was

1394
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,520
moving into the East quite rapidly and I

1395
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,079
urge that he'd get back on the balloon

1396
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,180
and he assured me he had the balloon

1397
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,980
finally we took the theater lights

1398
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:21,599
looked through it and he did have the

1399
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:23,700
balloon I was very interested in what

1400
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:25,380
this other object was so I abandoned the

1401
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:27,540
balloon and began tracking it it was

1402
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:29,579
moving very rapidly about five degrees

1403
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:32,460
or so per second across the sky went all

1404
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:34,740
the way from the southwest down into the

1405
01:05:38,770 --> 01:05:36,780
Northeast and then it increased an

1406
01:05:43,490 --> 01:05:38,780
elevation angle and got small in a hurry

1407
01:05:46,430 --> 01:05:43,500
it did all this about 65 seconds

1408
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,440
we were quite private about this or we

1409
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,540
made another uh Foundation I released

1410
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,160
another balloon and followed it this

1411
01:05:55,849 --> 01:05:53,640
time to 90 000 feet in this balloon

1412
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:55,859
went into the South it had Northwind at

1413
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,780
all altitudes from the surface up to 90

1414
01:06:01,490 --> 01:05:59,579
000 feet yet this object that I had

1415
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:01,500
thought initially was a balloon moved

1416
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:03,480
Against the Wind so I knew this wasn't a

1417
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:05,220
balloon it wasn't a bird and it wasn't

1418
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:06,240
Venus

1419
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:08,520
I went over and called The White Sands

1420
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:11,339
Missile Range Block House to find out uh

1421
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:13,260
if they would launched something and I

1422
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:15,599
got somebody back to the fact that are

1423
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:22,580
are you guys nuts this is Sunday

1424
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:25,140
[Laughter]

1425
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,640
that's pretty funny

1426
01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:28,559
amazing

1427
01:06:35,329 --> 01:06:33,059
you know uh General Mills was big into

1428
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:35,339
the balloon game at that point so they

1429
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,900
knew exactly

1430
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:39,119
what balloons were and all that kind of

1431
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:43,020
stuff and it was not that and Andres yes

1432
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,059
they're moving Against the Wind here we

1433
01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:48,720
hear that again moving Against the Wind

1434
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,059
you know

1435
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:52,559
it's not a balloon if it's moving

1436
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:54,839
against the wind like people need to

1437
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:57,240
realize that and that's something used

1438
01:07:04,670 --> 01:06:59,880
or said in the

1439
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:04,680
uh famous Navy uh gimbal video

1440
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:11,750
or the wind is at 180 knots and it was

1441
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:18,549
pretty crazy so here again 1949 we have

1442
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:23,160
more than reputable Witnesses coming out

1443
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:26,220
and and you know bolstering this this

1444
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:28,619
mystery of flank saucers which is

1445
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,119
extremely interesting because at this

1446
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,720
time it's also being tied to

1447
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:34,799
extraterrestrials by Donald Kehoe and

1448
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:39,529
um

1449
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:42,299
another interesting testimony from a

1450
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,420
sighting in 1949 comes from and Robert

1451
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,520
kind of blew it

1452
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:49,440
clay Tombo

1453
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:54,359
he is uh he was that times Avi lobe

1454
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:00,829
who had his own sighting

1455
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:03,780
he discovered Pluto I should say back in

1456
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,470
1 was uh one I saw in 1949 in August in

1457
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:20,880
Las Cruces from my backyard

1458
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:23,100
on that particular evening my wife and

1459
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:25,739
her mother and I were enjoying the cool

1460
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:26,580
area

1461
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,480
and I was nine the beautiful transparent

1462
01:08:36,249 --> 01:08:33,600
Sky With the Stars and I happened to be

1463
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:36,259
looking overhead and suddenly I spied a

1464
01:08:42,490 --> 01:08:38,940
strange uh

1465
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:42,500
group of Lights moving and I said look

1466
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:46,799
and they saw it amazingly and uh then I

1467
01:08:50,110 --> 01:08:48,299
would say they were visible for about

1468
01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:50,120
three seconds of time

1469
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:53,219
and they disappeared at a height of

1470
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:55,080
about 35 degrees above the south

1471
01:09:02,209 --> 01:08:59,359
southeastern Horizon uh no sound and

1472
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:02,219
they seemed to kind of peel out the

1473
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,460
rectangles of fever life seem to

1474
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,400
foreshorten into slits and I've never

1475
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:10,739
seen them like it before since and I'm

1476
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,540
very much positive as to what this thing

1477
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:14,400
was

1478
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,120
thank you

1479
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:17,640
interesting

1480
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:19,500
I don't think we can argue that this

1481
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:23,880
person is an intelligent person right

1482
01:09:28,329 --> 01:09:25,620
um not crazy

1483
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,339
interesting thing is he

1484
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:30,900
described him as like rectangles I think

1485
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:32,819
which is interesting so we're getting

1486
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:35,699
all these different shapes even back

1487
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:39,060
then right reputable people

1488
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,140
just amazing and of course

1489
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:45,359
we do get something from the president

1490
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:46,859
at that time

1491
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:53,269
but from the United States submarine

1492
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,140
base at Key West Florida

1493
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:56,880
A dispatch that quoted President

1494
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,000
Truman's press secretary Charles Ross as

1495
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:02,280
saying that President Truman has no

1496
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:04,440
knowledge of any secret project by this

1497
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:06,660
government that would give substance to

1498
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:08,940
the existence of such object

1499
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,640
Ross also said that both the Air Force

1500
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:13,920
and the Navy deny that such objects

1501
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,870
funny you know who didn't say that so I

1502
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:22,560
said the Air Force and the Navy both say

1503
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,540
that the objects don't exist who didn't

1504
01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:26,400
say that well the army

1505
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:27,960
saying that

1506
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:31,440
right pretty interesting

1507
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:32,580
um

1508
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,659
has to say that there must have been a

1509
01:10:41,169 --> 01:10:37,920
lot of pressure for him to have to come

1510
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:43,790
uh you know I just thought that was

1511
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,060
interesting

1512
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,560
we don't get anything from the president

1513
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:48,420
now we actually have Congressional

1514
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,300
language passed and uh when he was asked

1515
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,400
about it he told a reporter to go back

1516
01:10:57,709 --> 01:10:55,739
and talk to Obama

1517
01:11:00,530 --> 01:10:57,719
because Obama said there are things in

1518
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:00,540
this guy's present by it Biden hasn't

1519
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,830
so I don't know maybe the information

1520
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:12,239
there in the classified documents at one

1521
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:19,610
so this last thing that uh I'm going to

1522
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:21,540
talk about here

1523
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:24,960
is really when

1524
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:26,760
you know having bodies in the government

1525
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:30,300
having bodies really came to

1526
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,199
uh fruition so this is around the Aztec

1527
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:37,500
Story the Aztec story is a story about a

1528
01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:39,960
crash disk and bodies were found in

1529
01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:43,800
multiple discs and again that is a very

1530
01:11:49,970 --> 01:11:48,060
um dense and complicated story

1531
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:49,980
that I've actually done a show on you

1532
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,880
can go back and and look at it but you

1533
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:55,440
know I'm basically just saying that

1534
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:58,260
here's where we have uh material

1535
01:12:06,010 --> 01:12:02,880
analysis beings man-like creatures

1536
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:06,020
and this is I believe uh either end of

1537
01:12:10,679 --> 01:12:15,110
but there's another interesting

1538
01:12:18,410 --> 01:12:16,729
um thing that comes out of this so I'm

1539
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,420
just going to read it till I get there a

1540
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:20,520
story of flank saucers piloted from

1541
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,620
another planet by tiny man-like

1542
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,199
creatures is told by Wes Izzard editor

1543
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:27,540
of Amarillo Daily News and his column

1544
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:29,640
for tomorrow morning's paper is it says

1545
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,320
that he got a tip from a Kansas City man

1546
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,840
the two Denver businessmen could give

1547
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:36,300
him the story he telephone them and they

1548
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:39,900
did he says in his column from Ada Izard

1549
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:41,699
he's a Foreman's told him that they had

1550
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,340
pieced the story together over a period

1551
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,320
of eight months from observation and

1552
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:48,420
from talks with a group of scientists

1553
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:50,520
who visit Denver frequently is there to

1554
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:53,219
admitting the yarn is second hand says

1555
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:54,840
it could

1556
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:57,719
uh be a hoax but he says both Denver men

1557
01:13:02,630 --> 01:12:59,940
have reputations as sober

1558
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,640
uh sound responsible citizens both he

1559
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:04,640
says seem sincere in baffled he had

1560
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:07,140
identifies them as X and Y there's other

1561
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:08,940
articles that came out that identify him

1562
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,219
and we know what their names are now but

1563
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,739
this is just the report here we're in

1564
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:15,480
the business here and we don't go around

1565
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:17,940
talking about this thing because people

1566
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:20,760
would think we're crazy Izzard says this

1567
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:22,199
is their story

1568
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:24,120
plank saucers are made of a metal that

1569
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:26,040
defies analysis government investigators

1570
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,719
have several saucers and have been

1571
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,280
studying them for nearly three years

1572
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:32,400
they plan to let the information and

1573
01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:33,960
this weren't going to stop here they

1574
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:36,179
plan to let the information leak out

1575
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,189
right

1576
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:48,169
they plan to let the information leak

1577
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:52,320
out gradually to prevent Hysteria

1578
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,620
we've been hearing that same thing for

1579
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:57,360
so long

1580
01:14:04,790 --> 01:13:59,340
if disclosures coming they got to do it

1581
01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:06,649
so we've been hearing that

1582
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:09,659
since the late 40s we've been hearing

1583
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,580
their these et's are attractive because

1584
01:14:18,370 --> 01:14:14,400
the atomic tests since the late 40s

1585
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:18,380
we've had you know reputable

1586
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:22,440
military and academic Witnesses since

1587
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:25,560
the late 40s we've had familiar Yarns

1588
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,370
all that stuff since the late 40s

1589
01:14:39,169 --> 01:14:36,770
um Roberts asked me to bring the article

1590
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,179
back up sure

1591
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:41,280
um well actually I can't but I can send

1592
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:42,540
it to you

1593
01:14:47,090 --> 01:14:44,699
if you want Robert

1594
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:47,100
uh just send me an email remind me and

1595
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,020
I'll send it to you

1596
01:14:56,169 --> 01:14:51,600
so

1597
01:15:04,070 --> 01:14:59,950
the well I guess that's the

1598
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:04,080
end of the gig although Robert wants to

1599
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:06,120
see this thing again now I brought back

1600
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:07,560
up

1601
01:15:16,910 --> 01:15:15,290
so

1602
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,920
he wants to read a little bit more about

1603
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,760
that Robert likes this case

1604
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,960
they have slept there and eaten there

1605
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:23,940
have talked to me and each other about

1606
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:25,380
this thing I'm a hard-boiled business

1607
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:27,659
executive and I think I can tell when a

1608
01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:29,159
man is lying

1609
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:31,140
it's hard to believe the boys are lying

1610
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:32,580
when they talk about this project

1611
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:38,450
yeah and this is a pretty thick and long

1612
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,679
thread and I can tell you right now like

1613
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:42,420
I've read the Air Force documents on

1614
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:46,560
this Aztec case and everything and

1615
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:49,739
um although I can't you know find the

1616
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:53,219
actual case I find that they

1617
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:56,699
investigated the out of this they

1618
01:16:02,510 --> 01:15:58,860
went all over the country doing

1619
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:02,520
interviews with people about this story

1620
01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:03,239
um

1621
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:06,540
so it's it's definitely interesting

1622
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:08,699
because like why would you do all this

1623
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,450
um

1624
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:19,610
oh yeah here we go so Mr y believes

1625
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:21,300
another division of the Department of

1626
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,300
Defense has been secretly investigating

1627
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:26,640
the saucers

1628
01:16:36,130 --> 01:16:31,850
it's another yarn that we heard today

1629
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:36,140
other UFO investigations going on

1630
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,239
metal cannot be melted into fight

1631
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:43,550
so

1632
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:54,360
I hope that you in enjoyed the gig today

1633
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:55,560
um put a good amount of effort into

1634
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:57,300
getting those clippings and I wasn't

1635
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:58,980
sure what I wanted to do with them as I

1636
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:01,020
found them so I thought hey let's just

1637
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:04,440
put a show together and

1638
01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:07,140
you know go through all those pieces

1639
01:17:15,709 --> 01:17:11,400
because it's important right like

1640
01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:19,910
and it's it's just uh it's too long

1641
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:21,719
and I I hope we can get some

1642
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:24,540
transparency on this I hope that somehow

1643
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:26,820
like a congressperson or somebody

1644
01:17:31,010 --> 01:17:29,159
involved with this effort watches this

1645
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:31,020
video

1646
01:17:34,850 --> 01:17:33,060
and and learns a little piece of History

1647
01:17:35,810 --> 01:17:34,860
here

1648
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:35,820
um

1649
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,000
I appreciate everybody here if uh this

1650
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:40,800
video gets any kind of sort of

1651
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,800
viewership we could keep going you know

1652
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:46,560
50 52 there's a lot more stuff that

1653
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:48,360
happened you know but I just stopped it

1654
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:49,739
here because this is kind of the

1655
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,760
beginning

1656
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:53,280
so

1657
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,159
that being said like the video subscribe

1658
01:18:01,610 --> 01:17:59,520
if you haven't uh share it on you know

1659
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,620
the social medias and stuff all that fun

1660
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:04,320
stuff so uh I do thank you for hanging

1661
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:05,880
out

1662
01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:07,500
being great

1663
01:18:12,669 --> 01:18:10,440
um people in the chat always kind I

1664
01:18:18,169 --> 01:18:12,679
appreciate that very much

1665
01:18:21,229 --> 01:18:18,179
and I'm gonna get on with my Saturday so

1666
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:21,239
peace y'all have a good one we'll see

1667
01:18:31,490 --> 01:18:28,930
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with all due respect to the Air Force I